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SvDijk at 20:49, 16 May 2010

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	Database ''WomenWriters'' (now): <br>		Database ''WomenWriters'' (now): <br>
-	*[http://neww.huygens.knaw.nl/authors?fromauthorsearch=1&sort=upper%28authors.name%29&page=1&searchtoggle=on&authorname=&pseudonymflag=0&pseudonymflag=1&gender=&year=&country_ids[]=2&bibliography=&personal_situation=&financial_situation=&notes=&per_page=200&x=18&y=19 over 750 women] born before 1875 <br><br><br>	+	*[http://neww.huygens.knaw.nl/authors?fromauthorsearch=1&sort=upper%28authors.name%29&page=1&searchtoggle=on&authorname=&pseudonymflag=0&pseudonymflag=1&gender=&year=&country_ids%5B%5D=2&bibliography=&personal_situation=&financial_situation=&notes=&per_page=200&x=18&y=19 over 750 women] born before 1875 <br><br><br>

	This large number of female authors in such a small country is to be explained in part by the fact that we included also women who translated or rewrote texts by others. Related to the question of the numbers is the one of definition. Are the following women definitely to be considered as authors?<br><br>		This large number of female authors in such a small country is to be explained in part by the fact that we included also women who translated or rewrote texts by others. Related to the question of the numbers is the one of definition. Are the following women definitely to be considered as authors?<br><br>

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SvDijk at 21:54, 29 November 2009

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-	SvD, 29 November 2009<br><br><br>	+	Suzan van Dijk, 29 November 2009<br><br><br>

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	*Conferences > NEWW November meetings > 2009 > Quantities <br><br>		*Conferences > NEWW November meetings > 2009 > Quantities <br><br>

SvDijk at 21:52, 29 November 2009

SvDijk — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:52:21 GMT

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	All these women were kept away from writing or from publishing or being recognized, by ''norms'' dominating femininity. In a women’s literary history, norms play a still more important role than in so-called “general” literary history.<br>		All these women were kept away from writing or from publishing or being recognized, by ''norms'' dominating femininity. In a women’s literary history, norms play a still more important role than in so-called “general” literary history.<br>

-	How many more of these women can we find? And what to do, in terms of including or not into databases? These four are all included in the database ''WomenWriters''– for the moment. By including them, we in fact follow the “example” provided by Joseph de La Porte who in the 18th century made this bio-bibliographical compilation entitled ''Histoire litteraire des femmes francaises'' (discussed by Hilde Hoogenboom in her article). For quite a number of women – not only those included in this list – La Porte specifies that he does not know if they did actually write: <br>	+	How many more of these women can we find? And what to do, in terms of including or not into databases? These four are all included in the database ''WomenWriters''– for the moment. By including them, we in fact follow the “example” provided by Joseph de La Porte who in the 18th century made this bio-bibliographical compilation entitled ''Histoire litteraire des femmes francaises'' (discussed by Hilde Hoogenboom in her article). For quite a number of women – not only those included in this list – La Porte specifies that he does not know if they actually
-	[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&authorName=&pseudonym=1&year=&personal=&professional=did+she+write&bibliography=&notesfield=&Editor_ID=geen&pageSize=50 '''Did they write ?'''] <br><br>	+	[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&authorName=&pseudonym=1&year=&personal=&professional=did+she+write&bibliography=&notesfield=&Editor_ID=geen&pageSize=50 '''wrote.'''] <br><br>

SvDijk at 21:50, 29 November 2009

SvDijk — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:50:56 GMT

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	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=1091 Sophie van Würtemberg]: the Dutch Queen, quite unhappy in her marriage, reading George Sand, and taking example on her in a manuscript entitled ''Histoire de ma vie'' after Sand’s ''Histoire de ma vie''... <br><br>		*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=1091 Sophie van Würtemberg]: the Dutch Queen, quite unhappy in her marriage, reading George Sand, and taking example on her in a manuscript entitled ''Histoire de ma vie'' after Sand’s ''Histoire de ma vie''... <br><br>
	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=264 Anne van der Tholl]: the wife of one of the famous literary critics, Conrad Busken Huet, and only recently “coming out” as an author and translator herself, possibly more important for her husband than currently supposed... <br><br>		*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=264 Anne van der Tholl]: the wife of one of the famous literary critics, Conrad Busken Huet, and only recently “coming out” as an author and translator herself, possibly more important for her husband than currently supposed... <br><br>
-	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=3453 Jenny Kerkhoven]: a character in ''Heren van de thee'', a novel by Hella S. Haasse. But the novel was based on family archives – and it was in one of these archives that Haasse found these feelings of Jenny’s husband, some time after her death, which was a suicide. The story is in the Dutch East Indies, where the husband is completely happy, but his wife less so. Now, after her death, he finally realizes that after a stay of several months in Holland she had not been quite the same as before, she had wanted to write – and he had not helped her. <br><br><br>	+	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=3453 Jenny Kerkhoven]: a character in ''Heren van de thee'' (1992), a novel by Hella S. Haasse. But the novel was based on family archives – and it was in one of these archives that Haasse found these feelings of Jenny’s husband, some time after her death, which was a suicide. The story is in the Dutch East Indies, where the husband is completely happy, but his wife less so. Now, after her death, he finally realizes that after a stay of several months in Holland she had not been quite the same as before, she had wanted to write – and he had not helped her. <br><br><br>

		+	All these women were kept away from writing or from publishing or being recognized, by ''norms'' dominating femininity. In a women’s literary history, norms play a still more important role than in so-called “general” literary history.<br>
		+
		+	How many more of these women can we find? And what to do, in terms of including or not into databases? These four are all included in the database ''WomenWriters''– for the moment. By including them, we in fact follow the “example” provided by Joseph de La Porte who in the 18th century made this bio-bibliographical compilation entitled ''Histoire litteraire des femmes francaises'' (discussed by Hilde Hoogenboom in her article). For quite a number of women – not only those included in this list – La Porte specifies that he does not know if they did actually write: <br>
	[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&authorName=&pseudonym=1&year=&personal=&professional=did+she+write&bibliography=&notesfield=&Editor_ID=geen&pageSize=50 '''Did they write ?'''] <br><br>		[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&authorName=&pseudonym=1&year=&personal=&professional=did+she+write&bibliography=&notesfield=&Editor_ID=geen&pageSize=50 '''Did they write ?'''] <br><br>



-	SvD, 17 November 2009<br><br><br>	+	SvD, 29 November 2009<br><br><br>

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	*Conferences > NEWW November meetings > 2009 > Quantities <br><br>		*Conferences > NEWW November meetings > 2009 > Quantities <br><br>

SvDijk at 21:46, 29 November 2009

SvDijk — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:46:56 GMT

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	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&gender=F&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&Country_ID=2&personal=&bibliography=&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn over 750 women] born before 1875 <br><br><br>		*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&gender=F&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&Country_ID=2&personal=&bibliography=&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn over 750 women] born before 1875 <br><br><br>

-	Some examples of "women authors" (?): <br><br>	+	This large number of female authors in such a small country is to be explained in part by the fact that we included also women who translated or rewrote texts by others. Related to the question of the numbers is the one of definition. Are the following women definitely to be considered as authors?<br><br>

-	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=1354 Magdalena van Schinne] <br><br>	+	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=1354 Magdalena van Schinne]: a woman living in The Hague in a formerly rich family, she was keeping a diary, where she is imagining that someone two centuries later will find and read it... <br><br>
-	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=1091 Sophie van Würtemberg] <br><br>	+	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=1091 Sophie van Würtemberg]: the Dutch Queen, quite unhappy in her marriage, reading George Sand, and taking example on her in a manuscript entitled ''Histoire de ma vie'' after Sand’s ''Histoire de ma vie''... <br><br>
-	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=264 Anne van der Tholl] <br><br>	+	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=264 Anne van der Tholl]: the wife of one of the famous literary critics, Conrad Busken Huet, and only recently “coming out” as an author and translator herself, possibly more important for her husband than currently supposed... <br><br>
-	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=3453 Jenny Kerkhoven] <br><br><br>	+	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=3453 Jenny Kerkhoven]: a character in ''Heren van de thee'', a novel by Hella S. Haasse. But the novel was based on family archives – and it was in one of these archives that Haasse found these feelings of Jenny’s husband, some time after her death, which was a suicide. The story is in the Dutch East Indies, where the husband is completely happy, but his wife less so. Now, after her death, he finally realizes that after a stay of several months in Holland she had not been quite the same as before, she had wanted to write – and he had not helped her. <br><br><br>

	[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&authorName=&pseudonym=1&year=&personal=&professional=did+she+write&bibliography=&notesfield=&Editor_ID=geen&pageSize=50 '''Did they write ?'''] <br><br>		[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&authorName=&pseudonym=1&year=&personal=&professional=did+she+write&bibliography=&notesfield=&Editor_ID=geen&pageSize=50 '''Did they write ?'''] <br><br>

SvDijk at 21:37, 29 November 2009

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	<br><br><br>		<br><br><br>
-	All of us (English colleagues possibly excepted) know well that, when telling that we are doing research on women writers before the 20th century, we have to answer the question: “Did they exist?”. This question is in line with what was taught until quite recently in universities and schools, for instance in the famous Knuvelder manual of Dutch literature: 25 women, not even completely pre-1900 (I have not been into counting male names in the index):<br><br>	+	All of us (English colleagues possibly excepted) know well that, when telling that we are doing research on women writers before the 20th century, we have to answer the question: “Did they exist?”. This question is in line with what was taught until quite recently in universities and schools, for instance in the famous Knuvelder manual of Dutch literature: 25 women, not even completely pre-1900 (I have not been into counting male names in the index):<br>

	G.P.M. Knuvelder, ''Beknopt handboek tot de geschiedenis der Nederlandse letterkunde'' (1982, 10th ed.): <br>		G.P.M. Knuvelder, ''Beknopt handboek tot de geschiedenis der Nederlandse letterkunde'' (1982, 10th ed.): <br>
	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=knuvelder&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 25 Dutch women authors]<br><br>		*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=knuvelder&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 25 Dutch women authors]<br><br>

-	A 19th-century anthology of female poets contains a lot more 17th- and 18th-century women. The book participates in this vogue described by Hilde Hoogenboom in her [http://www.womenwriters.nl/index.php/First article] about bio-bibliographical compilations of “female worthies” and famous women.<br><br>	+	A 19th-century anthology of female poets contains a lot more 17th- and 18th-century women. The book participates in this vogue described by Hilde Hoogenboom in her [http://www.womenwriters.nl/index.php/First article] about bio-bibliographical compilations of “female worthies” and famous women.<br>

	A.J. van der Aa, ''Parelen uit de lettervruchten van Nederlandsche dichteressen'' (1856):<br>		A.J. van der Aa, ''Parelen uit de lettervruchten van Nederlandsche dichteressen'' (1856):<br>
	* [http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=parelen&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 41 of them]. <br><br>		* [http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=parelen&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 41 of them]. <br><br>

-	The authors of a much more recent anthology of Dutch-language women authors have been discovering 150 female authors active between 1550 and 1850: <br><br>	+	The authors of a much more recent anthology of Dutch-language women authors have been discovering 150 female authors active between 1550 and 1850: <br>

	Riet Schenkeveld-van der Dussen et al., ''Met en zonder lauwerkrans. Schrijvende vrouwen uit de vroegmoderne tijd'' (1997): <br>		Riet Schenkeveld-van der Dussen et al., ''Met en zonder lauwerkrans. Schrijvende vrouwen uit de vroegmoderne tijd'' (1997): <br>
	* [http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=lauwerkrans&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 150 authors 1550-1850]<br><br>		* [http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=lauwerkrans&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 150 authors 1550-1850]<br><br>

-	But it is only when doing more systematic research in sources such as library catalogues, periodical press, or lists of translations, that numbers really rise: <br><br>	+	But it is only when doing more systematic research in sources such as library catalogues, periodical press, or lists of translations, that numbers really rise: <br>

	Database ''WomenWriters'' (now): <br>		Database ''WomenWriters'' (now): <br>

SvDijk at 21:36, 29 November 2009

SvDijk — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:36:07 GMT

SvDijk at 21:32, 29 November 2009

SvDijk — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:32:19 GMT

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	<br><br><br>		<br><br><br>
-	Some examples of "compilations": <br><br>	+	All of us (English colleagues possibly excepted) know well that, when telling that we are doing research on women writers before the 20th century, we have to answer the question: “Did they exist?”. This question is in line with what was taught until quite recently in universities and schools, for instance in the famous Knuvelder manual of Dutch literature: 25 women, not even completely pre-1900(I have not been into counting male names in the index):<br>

	G.P.M. Knuvelder, ''Beknopt handboek tot de geschiedenis der Nederlandse letterkunde'' (1982, 10th ed.): <br>		G.P.M. Knuvelder, ''Beknopt handboek tot de geschiedenis der Nederlandse letterkunde'' (1982, 10th ed.): <br>
	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=knuvelder&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 25 Dutch women authors]<br><br>		*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=knuvelder&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 25 Dutch women authors]<br><br>
		+
		+	This 19th-century anthology of female poets contains a lot more 17th- and 18th-century women:<br>

	A.J. van der Aa, ''Parelen uit de lettervruchten van Nederlandsche dichteressen'' (1856):<br>		A.J. van der Aa, ''Parelen uit de lettervruchten van Nederlandsche dichteressen'' (1856):<br>
-	* [http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=parelen&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 41 of them]<br><br>	+	* [http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=parelen&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 41 of them]. The book participates in this vogue described by Hilde Hoogenboom in her [ article] about bio-bibliographical compilations of “female worthies” and famous women.<br><br>

		+	The authors of a much more recent anthology of Dutch-language women authors have been discovering 150 female authors active between 1550 and 1850: <br>
	Riet Schenkeveld-van der Dussen et al., ''Met en zonder lauwerkrans. Schrijvende vrouwen uit de vroegmoderne tijd'' (1997): <br>		Riet Schenkeveld-van der Dussen et al., ''Met en zonder lauwerkrans. Schrijvende vrouwen uit de vroegmoderne tijd'' (1997): <br>
	* [http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=lauwerkrans&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 150 authors 1550-1850]<br><br>		* [http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=lauwerkrans&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 150 authors 1550-1850]<br><br>

		+	But it is only when doing more systematic research in sources such as library catalogues, periodical press, or lists of translations, that numbers really rise: <br>
	Database ''WomenWriters'' (now): <br>		Database ''WomenWriters'' (now): <br>
	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&gender=F&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&Country_ID=2&personal=&bibliography=&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn over 750 women] born before 1875 <br><br><br>		*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&gender=F&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&Country_ID=2&personal=&bibliography=&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn over 750 women] born before 1875 <br><br><br>

SvDijk at 08:11, 20 November 2009

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	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=1354 Magdalena van Schinne] <br><br>		*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=1354 Magdalena van Schinne] <br><br>
-	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=1091 Sophie van Wurtemberg] <br><br>	+	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=1091 Sophie van Würtemberg] <br><br>
	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=264 Anne van der Tholl] <br><br>		*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=264 Anne van der Tholl] <br><br>
	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=3453 Jenny Kerkhoven] <br><br><br>		*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=3453 Jenny Kerkhoven] <br><br><br>

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	G.P.M. Knuvelder, ''Beknopt handboek tot de geschiedenis der Nederlandse letterkunde'' (1982, 10th ed.): <br>		G.P.M. Knuvelder, ''Beknopt handboek tot de geschiedenis der Nederlandse letterkunde'' (1982, 10th ed.): <br>
-	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=knuvelder&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 25 Dutch women authors]<br><br>	+	*[http://neww.huygens.knaw.nl/authors?fromauthorsearch=1&sort=upper%28authors.name%29&page=1&searchtoggle=on&authorname=&pseudonymflag=0&pseudonymflag=1&gender=&year=&bibliography=Knuvelder&personal_situation=&financial_situation=&notes=&per_page=20&x=26&y=16 25 Dutch women authors]<br><br>

	A 19th-century anthology of female poets contains a lot more 17th- and 18th-century women. The book participates in this vogue described by Hilde Hoogenboom in her [http://www.womenwriters.nl/index.php/First article] about bio-bibliographical compilations of “female worthies” and famous women.<br>		A 19th-century anthology of female poets contains a lot more 17th- and 18th-century women. The book participates in this vogue described by Hilde Hoogenboom in her [http://www.womenwriters.nl/index.php/First article] about bio-bibliographical compilations of “female worthies” and famous women.<br>

	A.J. van der Aa, ''Parelen uit de lettervruchten van Nederlandsche dichteressen'' (1856):<br>		A.J. van der Aa, ''Parelen uit de lettervruchten van Nederlandsche dichteressen'' (1856):<br>
-	* [http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=parelen&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 41 of them]. <br><br>	+	* [http://neww.huygens.knaw.nl/authors?fromauthorsearch=1&sort=upper%28authors.name%29&page=1&searchtoggle=on&authorname=&pseudonymflag=0&pseudonymflag=1&gender=&year=&bibliography=parelen&personal_situation=&financial_situation=&notes=&per_page=20&x=29&y=27 41 of them]. <br><br>

	The authors of a much more recent anthology of Dutch-language women authors have been discovering 150 female authors active between 1550 and 1850: <br>		The authors of a much more recent anthology of Dutch-language women authors have been discovering 150 female authors active between 1550 and 1850: <br>

	Riet Schenkeveld-van der Dussen et al., ''Met en zonder lauwerkrans. Schrijvende vrouwen uit de vroegmoderne tijd'' (1997): <br>		Riet Schenkeveld-van der Dussen et al., ''Met en zonder lauwerkrans. Schrijvende vrouwen uit de vroegmoderne tijd'' (1997): <br>
-	* [http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=lauwerkrans&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 150 authors 1550-1850]<br><br>	+	* [http://neww.huygens.knaw.nl/authors?fromauthorsearch=1&sort=upper%28authors.name%29&page=1&searchtoggle=on&authorname=&pseudonymflag=0&pseudonymflag=1&gender=&year=&bibliography=lauwerkrans&personal_situation=&financial_situation=&notes=&per_page=20&x=17&y=19 150 authors 1550-1850]<br><br>

	But it is only when doing more systematic research in sources such as library catalogues, periodical press, or lists of translations, that numbers really rise: <br>		But it is only when doing more systematic research in sources such as library catalogues, periodical press, or lists of translations, that numbers really rise: <br>

	Database ''WomenWriters'' (now): <br>		Database ''WomenWriters'' (now): <br>
-	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&gender=F&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&Country_ID=2&personal=&bibliography=&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn over 750 women] born before 1875 <br><br><br>	+	*[http://neww.huygens.knaw.nl/authors?fromauthorsearch=1&sort=upper%28authors.name%29&page=1&searchtoggle=on&authorname=&pseudonymflag=0&pseudonymflag=1&gender=&year=&country_ids[]=2&bibliography=&personal_situation=&financial_situation=&notes=&per_page=200&x=18&y=19 over 750 women] born before 1875 <br><br><br>

	This large number of female authors in such a small country is to be explained in part by the fact that we included also women who translated or rewrote texts by others. Related to the question of the numbers is the one of definition. Are the following women definitely to be considered as authors?<br><br>		This large number of female authors in such a small country is to be explained in part by the fact that we included also women who translated or rewrote texts by others. Related to the question of the numbers is the one of definition. Are the following women definitely to be considered as authors?<br><br>

-	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=1354 Magdalena van Schinne]: a woman living in The Hague in a formerly rich family, she was keeping a diary, where she is imagining that someone two centuries later will find and read it... <br><br>	+	*[http://neww.huygens.knaw.nl/authors/show/1354 Magdalena van Schinne]: a woman living in The Hague in a formerly rich family, she was keeping a diary, where she is imagining that someone two centuries later will find and read it... <br><br>
-	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=1091 Sophie van Würtemberg]: the Dutch Queen, quite unhappy in her marriage, reading George Sand, and taking example on her in a manuscript entitled ''Histoire de ma vie'' after Sand’s ''Histoire de ma vie''... <br><br>	+	*[http://neww.huygens.knaw.nl/authors/show/1091 Sophie van Würtemberg]: the Dutch Queen, quite unhappy in her marriage, reading George Sand, and taking example on her in a manuscript entitled ''Histoire de ma vie'' after Sand’s ''Histoire de ma vie''... <br><br>
-	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=264 Anne van der Tholl]: the wife of one of the famous literary critics, Conrad Busken Huet, and only recently “coming out” as an author and translator herself, possibly more important for her husband than currently supposed... <br><br>	+	*[http://neww.huygens.knaw.nl/authors/show/264 Anne van der Tholl]: the wife of one of the famous literary critics, Conrad Busken Huet, and only recently “coming out” as an author and translator herself, possibly more important for her husband than currently supposed... <br><br>
-	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/author.asp?authorID=3453 Jenny Kerkhoven]: a character in ''Heren van de thee'' (1992), a novel by Hella S. Haasse. But the novel was based on family archives – and it was in one of these archives that Haasse found these feelings of Jenny’s husband, some time after her death, which was a suicide. The story is in the Dutch East Indies, where the husband is completely happy, but his wife less so. Now, after her death, he finally realizes that after a stay of several months in Holland she had not been quite the same as before, she had wanted to write – and he had not helped her. <br><br><br>	+	*[http://neww.huygens.knaw.nl/authors/show/3453 Jenny Kerkhoven]: a character in ''Heren van de thee'' (1992), a novel by Hella S. Haasse. But the novel was based on family archives – and it was in one of these archives that Haasse found these feelings of Jenny’s husband, some time after her death, which was a suicide. The story is in the Dutch East Indies, where the husband is completely happy, but his wife less so. Now, after her death, he finally realizes that after a stay of several months in Holland she had not been quite the same as before, she had wanted to write – and he had not helped her. <br><br><br>

	All these women were kept away from writing or from publishing or being recognized, by ''norms'' dominating femininity. In a women’s literary history, norms play a still more important role than in so-called “general” literary history.<br>		All these women were kept away from writing or from publishing or being recognized, by ''norms'' dominating femininity. In a women’s literary history, norms play a still more important role than in so-called “general” literary history.<br>

	How many more of these women can we find? And what to do, in terms of including or not into databases? These four are all included in the database ''WomenWriters''– for the moment. By including them, we in fact follow the “example” provided by Joseph de La Porte who in the 18th century made this bio-bibliographical compilation entitled ''Histoire litteraire des femmes francaises'' (discussed by Hilde Hoogenboom in her article). For quite a number of women – not only those included in this list – La Porte specifies that he does not know if they actually		How many more of these women can we find? And what to do, in terms of including or not into databases? These four are all included in the database ''WomenWriters''– for the moment. By including them, we in fact follow the “example” provided by Joseph de La Porte who in the 18th century made this bio-bibliographical compilation entitled ''Histoire litteraire des femmes francaises'' (discussed by Hilde Hoogenboom in her article). For quite a number of women – not only those included in this list – La Porte specifies that he does not know if they actually
-	[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&authorName=&pseudonym=1&year=&personal=&professional=did+she+write&bibliography=&notesfield=&Editor_ID=geen&pageSize=50 '''wrote.'''] <br><br>	+	[http://neww.huygens.knaw.nl/authors?fromauthorsearch=1&sort=upper%28authors.name%29&page=1&searchtoggle=on&authorname=&pseudonymflag=0&pseudonymflag=1&gender=&year=&country_ids%5B%5D=3&bibliography=&personal_situation=&financial_situation=did+she+write&notes=&per_page=200&x=22&y=19 '''wrote.'''] <br><br>



-	Suzan van Dijk, 29 November 2009<br><br><br>	+	Suzan van Dijk, updated May 2010<br><br><br>

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-	All of us (English colleagues possibly excepted) know well that, when telling that we are doing research on women writers before the 20th century, we have to answer the question: “Did they exist?”. This question is in line with what was taught until quite recently in universities and schools, for instance in the famous Knuvelder manual of Dutch literature: 25 women, not even completely pre-1900(I have not been into counting male names in the index):<br>	+	All of us (English colleagues possibly excepted) know well that, when telling that we are doing research on women writers before the 20th century, we have to answer the question: “Did they exist?”. This question is in line with what was taught until quite recently in universities and schools, for instance in the famous Knuvelder manual of Dutch literature: 25 women, not even completely pre-1900 (I have not been into counting male names in the index):<br><br>

	G.P.M. Knuvelder, ''Beknopt handboek tot de geschiedenis der Nederlandse letterkunde'' (1982, 10th ed.): <br>		G.P.M. Knuvelder, ''Beknopt handboek tot de geschiedenis der Nederlandse letterkunde'' (1982, 10th ed.): <br>
	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=knuvelder&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 25 Dutch women authors]<br><br>		*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=knuvelder&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 25 Dutch women authors]<br><br>

-	This 19th-century anthology of female poets contains a lot more 17th- and 18th-century women:<br>	+	A 19th-century anthology of female poets contains a lot more 17th- and 18th-century women. The book participates in this vogue described by Hilde Hoogenboom in her [http://www.womenwriters.nl/index.php/First article] about bio-bibliographical compilations of “female worthies” and famous women.<br><br>

	A.J. van der Aa, ''Parelen uit de lettervruchten van Nederlandsche dichteressen'' (1856):<br>		A.J. van der Aa, ''Parelen uit de lettervruchten van Nederlandsche dichteressen'' (1856):<br>
-	* [http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=parelen&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 41 of them]. The book participates in this vogue described by Hilde Hoogenboom in her [ article] about bio-bibliographical compilations of “female worthies” and famous women.<br><br>	+	* [http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=parelen&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 41 of them]. <br><br>
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		+	The authors of a much more recent anthology of Dutch-language women authors have been discovering 150 female authors active between 1550 and 1850: <br><br>

-	The authors of a much more recent anthology of Dutch-language women authors have been discovering 150 female authors active between 1550 and 1850: <br>
	Riet Schenkeveld-van der Dussen et al., ''Met en zonder lauwerkrans. Schrijvende vrouwen uit de vroegmoderne tijd'' (1997): <br>		Riet Schenkeveld-van der Dussen et al., ''Met en zonder lauwerkrans. Schrijvende vrouwen uit de vroegmoderne tijd'' (1997): <br>
	* [http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=lauwerkrans&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 150 authors 1550-1850]<br><br>		* [http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&personal=&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&bibliography=lauwerkrans&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn 150 authors 1550-1850]<br><br>

-	But it is only when doing more systematic research in sources such as library catalogues, periodical press, or lists of translations, that numbers really rise: <br>	+	But it is only when doing more systematic research in sources such as library catalogues, periodical press, or lists of translations, that numbers really rise: <br><br>
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	Database ''WomenWriters'' (now): <br>		Database ''WomenWriters'' (now): <br>
	*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&gender=F&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&Country_ID=2&personal=&bibliography=&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn over 750 women] born before 1875 <br><br><br>		*[http://www.databasewomenwriters.nl/results.asp?type=authors&year=&authorName=&notesfield=&pseudonym=1&gender=F&professional=&Editor_ID=geen&Country_ID=2&personal=&bibliography=&pageSize=50&order=a.yearBorn over 750 women] born before 1875 <br><br><br>